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Season 2 Episode 3: Jessica Boston

Shame lurks beneath the surface of our lives, shaping our decisions, relationships, and self-perception in ways we rarely recognize. In this powerful conversation with Jessica Boston, hypnotherapist and creator of the Homecoming program, we uncover the hidden mechanisms of shame and how it functions as more than just an emotion—it’s a force that dictates our identity. Jessica reveals how shame operates as an “emotional reputation,” designed evolutionarily to protect us from isolation but often creating the very isolation it aims to prevent. “What shame does is protect the wound,” she explains, “it isolates you, keeps you away from people.” This protective mechanism backfires in modern contexts, creating cycles of emotional distress that feel impossible to escape. Drawing from her 15 years of experience and work with clients worldwide (including luxury resorts in the Maldives), Jessica shares how shame manifests differently across personalities. Whether you’re a “pleaser,” “prover,” “procrastinator,” or “panicker,” your response to shame creates patterns that affect every aspect of your life. Most surprising is her observation that nearly 99.9% of Western women struggle with shame in some form—making this conversation universally relevant. The heart of our discussion explores Jessica’s Homecoming program and upcoming illustrated book, which uses the metaphor of a house to help rebuild emotional foundations. The three-module approach (Foundation/trust, Protection/boundaries, and Vision/dreams) provides a tangible framework for understanding abstract emotional concepts. “Can you learn to love the floor on the landing that squeaks?” Jessica asks, highlighting that healing isn’t just about transformation but also acceptance of what makes us uniquely human. If you’ve ever felt not enough, struggled with perfectionism, or found yourself repeating patterns that keep you stuck, this conversation offers both validation and practical pathways forward. By understanding shame’s mechanisms and rebuilding your emotional home with intention, you can begin creating a life built on self-trust rather than self-criticism.

TRANSCRIPT

Jessica Boston: 0:00

Most people are ashamed of shame. You know, if you talk about shame, people are like oh, I’m ashamed that I have this shame. And it’s such a sneaky. It’s actually bigger than an emotion, it’s a force. It’s really one of the most powerful ones. It’s so sneaky, it’s so prevalent in all our lives and it’s such a powerful social emotion. It’s what’s known as an emotional reputation.Caroline Balinska: 0:22

Welcome to the Life on Purpose Over 40 podcast, where empowerment, elegance and health take center stage. I’ll be your guide on this thrilling journey to outshine your past self. This is a podcast all about transformation. We’re plunging headfirst into exactly what health, wellness, style, relationships and career look like as a woman over 40. You’ll be hearing from all the most sought-after global trailblazers and experts. This isn’t just about learning. It’s about embracing your inner, fierce, fabulous self. Let’s get started.Caroline Balinska: 0:55

Welcome to the podcast. I’m so excited. This is a very, very, very special day for me. Today I have the lovely Jessica with us today. Jessica has been a friend of mine for over 11 years. I just did the calculations before we met about 11 years ago and I’ve been wanting to get you on the podcast for a very long time and I made a joke to you. I said not until you’re over 40. Right, I was only joking about that, but you are over 40 now, so just, I’ve been over 42 years.Jessica Boston: 1:22

Oh my God, no way.Caroline Balinska: 1:24

Was that? No, no time flies. Oh my God, time is really flying.Caroline Balinska: 1:26

You can really tell they just turned 42, yeah, and you just do the most amazing work. And I’m going to introduce you properly it’s Jessica Boston and Jessica, you grew up in London, then you and I met in Barcelona. You were living in Barcelona for quite a few years and now you’re back in the UK again. So you’re doing lots of wonderful things you sing, you have got your meditation, you’ve got all sorts of things. You’ve just written a book which I really wanted to speak to you about today, and it’s just amazing to have you here. So thank you for joining us today.Jessica Boston: 1:59

Thank you, caroline. It’s my pleasure. I’m so excited, it’s really fun.Caroline Balinska: 2:03

We first met because you actually came to. I used to run marketing events back in Barcelona yeah, let’s move there and you actually came to one of my marketing events and ever since then you’ve been one of my raving fans and then we’ve been great friends along the way, and what I really love about you is that you’re really into marketing yourself in really different ways and you really think outside the box when it comes to the way you live life, the way you do business and the way you help other people. So I want to touch on that first of all, because you do some really amazing things helping a lot of people. You get a lot of PR for the very unique way that you actually help people. So give us a little bit of information about what you do.Jessica Boston: 2:47

So I’m a hypnotherapist but I run a healing program called Homecoming. It’s a three-month program. You can take it in modules, so you can do a month at a time and I just love that work. I love helping and mainly help women. So it’s just I just love I love that work, I love helping, I mainly help women, so it’s very tailored to working with the very specific issues that I think get in the way of women having amazing relationships, amazing businesses, the sort of specific emotional dilemmas they find themselves up against and the behaviors that get in the way of just having a really fun life. I’m just, I think more than anything, I’m just really devoted to fun and freedom and people having really fun and free lives as much as possible.Caroline Balinska: 3:38

And I think you really manifested that for yourself in a really big way in the last sort of is it five years, something like that, since you went back to the UK that you really changed Eight years?Jessica Boston: 3:49

actually, but yeah, I mean again, time flies, but it’s about that.Caroline Balinska: 3:55

Yeah, yeah, fantastic, and you had an amazing adventure. About a year ago, you were in the Maldives. You actually were invited to go and work there by a hotel. Is that right? Yeah, tell us a little bit about that. What did they ask you to do? Because that’s sort of a unique thing you went for a whole month to the Maldives and they invited you there.Jessica Boston: 4:15

Yeah, so I’ve been there twice. I went the first time for two months to two separate resorts, and then the last, more recent time, I went for a month. Um, it’s just amazing. I mean it’s amazing. What can you say about being in the Maldives for three months? It’s the most beautiful place I’ve ever seen. It’s almost it looks like a postcard. You can’t put it into into words how gorgeous it is. Um, and I was there helping the guests.Jessica Boston: 4:44

So it’s something that, like, people sort of can’t grasp is that you could be somewhere like in the Maldives and not having a good time, or you know how can, how can you be in paradise and not be okay, but it doesn’t matter where you go, it doesn’t matter what your lifestyle is.Jessica Boston: 5:02

If you’ve got something going on in your subconscious, you’re taking it with you wherever you go. And what also tends to happen is that people feel great shame and sadness and depression and grief if they’re in a space like that and they’re feeling that way because it’s almost, it’s not worse, but you’ve got this narrative in your head like I’m in an amazing place, I should be okay, what’s wrong with me? And and so I think it’s really forward thinking of of that chain of hotels to have people there that that really take care of the whole experience, because if you’re dropping very serious amounts of money and your mind is elsewhere and it’s also a great opportunity to do something while you’ve got a bit of downtime and do a bit of soul searching and self-development. So it’s just a dream come true wow, yeah, I didn’t.Caroline Balinska: 5:49

We spoke when you were over there, um, I think on your last trip and we, you were showing me around your hotel and you were showing me around. It was amazing and, um, I didn’t think about it from that perspective that, um, there are people that we feel this great guilt from that don’t we? Like it becomes like a guilty secret, almost. It’s not something, I guess that these women they’re not going to tell it to their partner because they’re going. Wow, I’m in the most amazing place and I think a lot of women suffer with that, not just in that context of in the Maldives, but also in other situations where they might have the best job, they might have just had a baby, they might have finally got that house they’ve been dreaming of having, and then they’re sitting there with this guilt and where they’re journaling, where they’re going to therapy, where they’re doing everything that we’re meant to be doing, but what do you think it is, what do you think is actually going on that keeps us stuck in that sort of mindset?Jessica Boston: 6:51

I think there’s a few things going on.Jessica Boston: 6:53

I think we’re all on a bit of a hedonic treadmill where we are invited to want more and more and more constantly, and we’re also in a society that really deeply encourages shame, and we have our own.Jessica Boston: 7:10

We already have our own shame from our own traumas and our own pains, because that’s that’s the nature of shame. It’s a protective force designed to protect you from isolation and abandon. But then we’re also in a culture that tells you constantly you are not enough, you are not good enough, you need to buy this, you need to have this, you need to do this, you need to be here at this age, you need to be feeling this. So you know, obviously, when I’m working with somebody, I want to know what’s going on with them, I want to know what their universe is made up of, and it’s normally that they’ve got an unresolved pain or a current situation that they can’t seem to get to the other side of. But also, sometimes it’s just that, no matter what they do, they can’t escape this deep shame of not feeling and being enough, and how many women do you think suffer with that?Jessica Boston: 8:04

this deep shame of not feeling and being enough, and how many women do you think suffer with that? I would say 99.9% of women. I would say that I mean again, I’m sort of thinking predominantly women in the Western world that have been socialized in a certain way, women in the Western world that have been socialized in a certain way. I’m yet to meet a woman that doesn’t have that on some level, but I’ll let you know if I do, and what do you think it is?Caroline Balinska: 8:40

Because I think that there’s a lot of women out there trying to pretend and I know it’s better than it was 20 years ago but there’s a lot of women out there trying to prove themselves that there’s nothing wrong with them, that they don’t. I can, off the top of my head, I can think of a couple of people that are close to me who act like they’re. You know, look how perfect I am. There’s nothing wrong with me, I’ve got everything going right. Yeah, what is that Like? What is it? That’s part of the shame, isn’t it, that we have to hide that?Jessica Boston: 9:08

I think we underestimate how many paths lead back to shame, and I think also because shame is a really misunderstood emotion and it’s a kind of unsexy emotion. It doesn’t sound very cool or very appealing, and also most people are ashamed of shame. You know, if you talk about shame, people are like, oh, I’m ashamed that I have this shame and it’s such a sneaky um. It’s actually bigger than an emotion, it’s a force, it’s really one of the most powerful ones. It’s so sneaky, it’s so, it’s so prevalent in all our lives and it’s such a powerful social um emotion. It’s what’s known as an emotional reputation. So we all you know, anyone who wants to fit in and be a part of society are going to have a lot of shame, and it manifests in different ways. So you know, talking about approver, on my website I have a quiz to determine whether you’re more pleaser, approver, procrastinator or panicker. And pleasers and approvers there’s very interesting sort of very similar, but the slight difference between a pleaser and approver is the relationships that they had growing up. So a prover again this is. You know, I want to know more about, about you. I don’t make guesses.Jessica Boston: 10:31

The prover tends to be somebody that’s more obsessed with like status.Jessica Boston: 10:35

So so either had a very good relationship with their father or a not so good relationship with their father, but they want to prove.Jessica Boston: 10:41

Proving has got a more what, what we might consider it oh and these are words I don’t normally use but maybe a more masculine kind of aggressive, um, angry energy. I would say a prover is a pleaser that’s got angry, and and then a pleaser tends to be more guilty. So pleaser tends to have been learned more from their mother, learned more, more, maybe more again, these words I don’t use that often but maybe a more feminine environment spend more time with the mother. So there’s a distinct difference between the two and it tends to be which emotions they lead with. And even, like I say, the priver tends to be more angry. It doesn’t mean that they’re angry all the time. It means that there tends to be a repressed anger that’s bubbling under the surface and a need to to just constantly be showing that they are okay, that they are enough, that they are enough. So again, it’s all shame. It just depends how your shame manifests.Jessica Boston: 11:44

You’re making me think of all these things that I’m like. Well, we have to talk off the it just depends how your shame manifests.Caroline Balinska: 11:48

You’re making me think of all these things that I’m like well. We have to talk off the camera because I’m like well.Jessica Boston: 11:54

I love talking about shame. I could talk about shame. I’m at a dinner party. If somebody starts talking about shame, I’m like blah, blah, blah. I just want everyone to know more about it. Because, also, I think one of the saddest and hardest things about the idea of shame is that it really just fundamentally makes you believe that you are not good, you are not okay. Shame’s whole narrative is there’s something wrong with you. It’s about wrongness and rightness and this idea that it doesn’t take much to especially if you’ve got a lot in the system like it doesn’t take much to set off this idea that you’re wrong. And it’s so deep, it’s so pervasive. So if we want to set ourselves free, we have to understand shame better. We also have to understand guilt better, but. But shame is more powerful because guilt eventually transforms into shame.Caroline Balinska: 12:48

Guilt transforms into shame.Jessica Boston: 12:51

Over time, over time, it’s cumulative.Caroline Balinska: 12:53

Yeah, yeah, you feel the shame because you had some sort of guilt. Yeah, that makes sense.Jessica Boston: 12:58

Also, shame is more an identity emotion. Shame is about who you are as a person, so it travels down the different levels who you are as a person, so it travels down the different levels. Right, so you’ve got emotion, behavior, beliefs, values, identity and then spiritual realm. At the top, the identity how you feel in your identity is going to travel down into every single area of your life, like if it’s only at the belief level and it hasn’t traveled up to identity yet. It’s not that you’re okay, but you’re much better off than it’s become a part of who you are.Jessica Boston: 13:35

Guilt is more about behavior, but guilt is also a very interesting emotion that has to be studied and I don’t want to throw too much at everybody listening, but yeah, so these are the things that I help women really understand, because really to heal really well, you have to understand shame as well, because the very difficult thing about shame is it really slows down your healing process. It turns your healing into a labyrinth. You take one step forward, you take ten back. You take one forward, you take three back, because it doesn’t really want you to make progress.Caroline Balinska: 14:13

So if we had to say what are the top reasons why people have got some sort of trauma, I think you know they’re probably parents not treating them well as children, sexual abuse I don’t know what else is in there Bullying at school, so those things, and I don’t know if there’s something else that I’ve missed that I can’t think of anything else.Jessica Boston: 14:40

That’s really I mean there’s lots and lots of different.Caroline Balinska: 14:44

Yeah but I think there’s sort of like the main ones that Right, yeah, I mean there’s lots and lots of different, yeah, but I think there’s sort of like the main ones that.Jessica Boston: 14:48

Right, yeah, I mean there’s lots. Yeah, there are the big T traumas. Yeah, we also underplay the impact of smaller T traumas and the impact that because, again, with smaller T traumas they create a lot of shame as well.Caroline Balinska: 15:08

So you’re saying all of those things. It doesn’t matter what they areas, they create a lot of shame as well. So you’re saying all of those things, it doesn’t matter what they are they create shame.Jessica Boston: 15:12

So again, I don’t want it’s a difficult thing to say, because I’m I’m not a very good person at saying things like in a blanket way like, yes, every single trauma creates pain, because but I would say that if it’s a trauma, it has created some shame, because that’s a part of what makes it trauma, because it’s really interesting because you can have events and I’ve, you know, I’ve really heard, I would say it all, I’ve heard the absolute worst of it, and I’ve also and this is not a judgment to anything, but I’ve heard things that you would think, oh, that doesn’t really sound that bad. Or you know that that sounds sort of like I’d be okay if that happened to me. But actually I was explaining this to somebody on a call yesterday, because there can be shame about your thing not being bad enough, right, and there’s this sort of like, oh gosh, this thing happened to me and it wasn’t even that bad, but it really, really affected me and that’s so embarrassing because you know, it was one knife that stabbed me, not two. You still got hurt and sometimes it’s also the way the thing finds us like I was. Like I said, I was explaining this to a client yesterday about, I remember a session with the client and she was we were tracing back the emotion and she was telling me this story about this day.Jessica Boston: 16:32

She was going to see a family member and she was so excited, like she was telling me this story about this day she was going to see a family member. She was so excited, like she was really skipping and singing and she’d brought her friend with her and she’d brought a bottle of wine and some flowers and she was so excited to see this person and when they turned up, her and her friend, the family member, just started shouting at her and berating her, you know, telling her really hard things, and she was so embarrassed because it was in front of someone else. But what? What made it so shocking was the expectation she’d gone there and so it was like she was flying and then someone sort of shot her down.Jessica Boston: 17:08

And this can also create this, this huge amount of and this huge amount of pain, because it gets trapped, the emotion gets trapped in the body in that moment. It doesn’t get stored Sorry, it does absolutely get stored, gets stuck in the body and then you don’t know how to set it free. And also because it’s not bad enough to be looked at. You don’t do anything about it, but then it continues to affect you. You continue to isolate yourself, because what shame then does is to protect the wound, to protect the pain. It isolates you, keeps you away from people. See that your trust breaks. The trust breaks in somebody else, the trust breaks in your own relationship with yourself, because you think I’m the one that predicted that reality. And that reality uh, what wasn’t what I thought it was going to be. I thought I was going to go in there skipping and then I got shouted at. I must not be able to trust my ability to predict, and that’s where the shame comes in. It’s the breach of the trust and the expectation. And then the shame comes in to protect the wound, to protect you from other people. Other people are dangerous. You’re dangerous. You didn’t protect yourself well enough.Jessica Boston: 18:20

And then what shame is supposed to do on an evolutionary level is we’re supposed to reassess. We’re supposed to take a step back and go oh, that was bad, or I could have been in danger, or maybe I’ve become dangerous to myself. I’m going to go and assess, but A we don’t understand our emotions. We don’t know what this is. We don’t know how to work with it and we’re very busy, we’re very stimulated.Jessica Boston: 18:49

We don’t listen to our own bodies. We can’t hear them when they talk to us. Also, the way that Shane will talk to us is often very cruel and hard, so we can’t hear them when they talk to us. Also, the way that shame will talk to us is often very cruel and hard, so we don’t want to listen. It’s going. Shame’s not going to come to you and whisper gently and say you need to not see your family for a bit, or you, you know, because I love you, I don’t want you to speak in public. It’s going to go hey, loser, nobody likes you, you’re the worst. And then you’ll go okay. So it’s really complex how we get stuck in these. It’s kind of complex and not complex, but it’s easily done that we get stuck in shame and it’s easily done that you can live a life in it.Caroline Balinska: 19:29

Yeah, yeah, I’m just thinking, as you’re talking about that, of quite a few people that I know and stories that I’ve been told over the years and it just makes me go yeah, I really hear it and a big area that I and you know my personal situation going on. I think narcissism comes into that and people with narcissistic tendencies they fall into the whole shame area.Jessica Boston: 19:59

Absolutely, absolutely, tendencies. They fall into the whole shame area, absolutely, absolutely. I would say that. And again, narcissism isn’t my specialist area, but I, what I would think a narcissist is is and when I say that I mean I don’t solely study narcissism, but I would say that it’s a huge mistrust in other people make to mix with a very big victim mentality. You know the story is I am always being screwed over by other people. I’m always the victim. I can’t trust anybody. Because they can’t trust anybody. They’re very high shame when we’re high shame and low trust, and how that goes on to manifest the chaos. It goes on to manifest the fact that they also get so stuck in an ego trap that the hardest things about narcissists is because they can’t trust anyone. They can’t trust anyone to help them get out of it and that is the biggest dilemma they face no one unless that person confirms their reality that they want to continue to believe. But you’re not helping them, you’re just keeping them stuck in that reality.Caroline Balinska: 21:00

But this is how they get stuck in there forever and very hard to help, really impossible to help yeah, and so tell me if, because we don’t have all day and I’d love to have all day today, but we are going to get on another episode, because already what you’re saying, there’s so many questions I have. I’m going to have a whole list for you next time. But what I want to discuss today is you’ve got a book coming out very, very shortly. I know that this is actually your strategy and I love the fact you’re not self-published, you’ve actually got a publisher. So I know, you know, I self-published and there’s no shame, no shame in that at all whatever whatsoever.Caroline Balinska: 21:39

No shame ever. But with you you’ve actually had someone reach out as a publisher wants to, wanted to work with you, and you’ve actually created this book and that makes me so interested in it, because someone saw the vision in that before you even published it. So I love that. Can you just tell us a little bit about the book? And, because I know that is actually your strategy, that you work with your clients around Can you explain that and what it actually means? Because it’s homecoming, it’s about the home. Explain it to us.Jessica Boston: 22:09

So I’ve been. I’ve been practicing for 15 years and I’ve always wanted to develop a program, so I always wanted to have my own materials it’s something that I’ve always done and really take them on a journey, because I really love storytelling I mean, the subconscious is storytelling and I really love businesses that really think about all the little details and really immerse their clients in this experience, because it is an experience and I also want my clients to feel like really cared for, like there are little special touches. I mean, when I think about businesses like this, this, the one that I’m probably most subconsciously influenced is a business like Disney or something you know. They’re so immersed in making sure that you are inside their story and that they are keeping you in this vision. So I’ve used this analogy of the home for about five years and the different metaphors to describe different areas of your life.Jessica Boston: 23:18

For example, the gates or your boundaries. Um. The foundations are your ability to trust, and these are all of the different um concepts that come up the most when I’m working with women. These are all the concepts that are the method to Am I going all over the place, sorry?Caroline Balinska: 23:39

No, no, no, no, it’s great.Jessica Boston: 23:40

Yeah. So homecoming is divided into three different modules, and those modules are foundation, protection and vision. Foundation is all about trust, because that’s what’s taken from us during trauma big t, small t trauma. I’m not a labeler of things, but any kind of trauma removes our ability to trust ourselves and also, as women, we are not encouraged or taught how to trust ourselves. We’re taught that confidence is arrogance or you know, we’re told that we can have this much confidence but not this much. And so to relearn how to trust yourself, and also to relearn how to trust yourself away from shame, because a lot of people think they trust themselves, but they only trust themselves if they’re perfect, and I hope that’s still shame. So that’s not self-trust, that is still perfectionism. So that’s the first module. Then the second one is protection your ability to protect yourself from emotion, from exploitative people.Jessica Boston: 24:41

You have to have boundaries, and in a home you would have all these things as well. You would start with your foundations. That would be fundamental. You’re not going to decorate a house before you’ve worked on the foundations. You would want your home to be safe. You’d be thinking do I have an alarm? Do my alarms work well or are they going off all the time because I’m so full of emotion. Do I have a gate that stops people coming in? Is it too high because I’m trying to keep everyone out, or is it too low because I think everyone is entitled to me?Jessica Boston: 25:14

And then the final module is vision. So we’re working on bigger dreams, on the decorating, on what is the house going to be, now that it’s what you want it to be as well, because another reason I love this home analogy is that sometimes our home is full of stuff that isn’t ours. It’s full of, you know, things that we got from our parents, or some ugly painting that your grandmother gave you, that your mother insists you have to hang, or some ugly painting that your grandmother gave you, that your mother insists you have to hang. And actually, when we look at your life and look at this journey, it’s like what do you want your home to be? Are you choosing your life? Are you choosing the beliefs that you hold? Do you feel safe in it? Do you also, moving away from this perfectionist idea, can you learn to live with things in the house like, really, some of your house is really beautiful. You don’t have to change everything. You really just have to change the things that are really dangerous or unhelpful, like an alarm that goes off all the time or no boundaries. But can you learn to love the floor on the landing that squeaks when you walk on it? Can you learn to love the peeling wallpaper? Like it’s not just about changing. It’s like change what needs to be changed and accept what is really beautiful and learn to see yourself in this new way. And so the book is based on this idea. It’s an illustrated book, and so the book is based on this idea. It’s an illustrated book.Jessica Boston: 26:44

I was really passionate about making it really visual and beautiful, because I really love beautiful things and I’m really. Before I was a hypnotherapist, I had an art and graphics background and I’m also just really not ashamed to admit that I love books with pictures. It’s like, again, it’s a point of shame for a lot of people of like, you’re not supposed to read books with pictures. Stop that. I love a book with pictures like it. Yeah, if it something takes me back into that feeling of being a child and that feeling of wonder and curiosity, that’s the energy I want you to be in when you’re reading, because that’s when you’re most receptive and spongy like you were as a kid.Jessica Boston: 27:21

Yeah, that’s so true. So it’s really beautiful. The illustrations are so beautiful. I think the concepts are really great, I think as a as a almost a beginner’s guide to heming principles also not necessarily beginners, because I’ve put a lot of tougher concepts in there but I think the illustrations just really soften it and let you know that I’m holding your hand throughout it.Caroline Balinska: 27:48

I love it, I can’t wait and we’re catching up tomorrow in London. I’m going to be in London to see you and I’m going to see the book.Jessica Boston: 27:55

Yes, I’ll bring it with me, yeah yeah, fantastic, I’m so excited to see it. I get to see the book.Caroline Balinska: 27:57

Yes, I’ll bring it with me. Yep, yep, yep. Fantastic, I’m so excited to see it.Jessica Boston: 28:00

I get to see it before everyone else. Yeah, exactly, fantastic.Caroline Balinska: 28:06

Jessica, I loved having you on here today. I’m so glad, sorry it took so long, but I definitely want you back. I want you. I’m going to sit down now, after today and tomorrow we’re going to catch up in person. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen you, since before I had my daughter, actually the last time I was in London. Yeah, we haven’t seen each other.Jessica Boston: 28:23

So it’s been five years, more than five years, yeah it’s crazy, but all the time since COVID, though, has just sort of it’s like being time sort of disappeared, which is a great thing. Who needs time anywhere, right?Caroline Balinska: 28:38

yeah, exactly yeah, so time has absolutely flown. I’m so excited we get to catch up tomorrow. Yes, I’m going to see your book and I’m going to come up with some more questions, and when we talk tomorrow, I’m going to come up with some other things, because you you have, since we were living in Barcelona and we actually left at the same time. So so we both moved out. You moved to the UK, I moved to the Netherlands, and a lot has happened in your life. So I think that there’s a lot of things that I also want to touch on that maybe I have missed in today’s episode. So I’m really excited to have you back another day and I’m going to be putting links in the show notes for when your book comes out. I’ll add that to the show notes, but if anyone wants to get in touch with you, how can they get in touch with you?Jessica Boston: 29:23

so my website. You can book a call with me if you’re interested in doing my program. Um, I think the the link to homecoming is just jessicabostoncom homecoming. There you can find a link to book a discovery call and scroll down and read the page. You’ll see all the information about it. Also on my website you can find the quiz, the peter pre-procrastinator panica quiz, and in that you get a free meditation when you sign up for the newsletter. So so each type has a free meditation. And so if you think, oh, I want to work on my pleasing, then I think every woman should work on pleasing. Not everyone is a pleaser, but it’s always a good thing to be working on. So, yeah, have a look at the quiz at the website, and the information about the book is on the website as well. Oh, I love it.Caroline Balinska: 30:20

Thank you so much, Jessica. I’ll put all the links in the show notes and I’m so glad that you could make it here today and we’re going to get you back on again to get into more details. Thank you for joining me and thanks everyone for watching today.

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